I have been wondering how White fans are going to approach those narratives where White people aren’t prominently displayed. Shows like Luke Cage and movies like Black Panther are not going to be a showcase for White people or their narratives. Will they just ignore them as they do so much of the Indie stuff that prominently features Black people? Insert their White favorites, as is usually done?
I single out Black people because Fandom doesn’t seem to have as many problems writing and shipping Asian characters. They don’t do it very often, and aren’t much good at it, but it does get done. As shown in some of the stats below, they will completely ignore Black characters, or characters who cannot pass for white, even when those are primary characters in the narrative. The Force Awakens is a perfect example, where fandom would seem to prefer to ship Rey with the villain who tortured her in the story, than ship her with Finn, one of the narrative’s heroes.
I was also shocked at how far down Korasami was on the list. I was under the apprehension that fans were clamoring for strong female representation, and I thought Legend of Korra would be at the top of the list for that, but I was wrong, but now, I’m not wondering too hard, why.
Anyway these are the discussions being had on Twitter and Tumblr about Black fandom expectations about White fans of the *MCU and fandom in general. *(Marvel Cinematic Universe)
*If this is how fans are treating the Black men in the MCU, I don’t wanna see how they’re going to treat Misty knight when she appears. Will they just ignore her? Ship her with their White fave? Write her as every worst stereotype of Black women? We’ll see.
As for Nick Fury’s narrative in fandom, I’ve noticed that when fans can’t find a role for a Black character, within canon, that is useful to the White characters, they will often write that character as a villain. This is the reason you see Nick Fury written as either, a screaming caricature of Samuel L Jackson, or as a bad guy, even when he commits the same actions as their woobified favorites like Tony Stark.
Is it so impossible for white fandom to imagine a place where they are not in a place of prominence? Where white people are either not there or barely existent. Where they are not the center of attention?
Wakanda is the only place where were white imperialism has not touched. Where white colonialism isn’t a thing. If you can only get into the idea of Wakanda if you insert a yt fav to “normalize” it….that says a lot about you tbh.
This is the point of the post where you self reflect and see why shoe horning a white face into a rare, completely black space is deeply f-ed up.
Also, T’challa is not a bank for your yt waves to come to when they are low on cash and or accessories/gadgets. He is not here for you yt favs in any capacity. Stop trying to shoehorn him into an assistant/benefactor/serval role. It’s really uncomfortable, gross and racist. I thought this was common sense but here we are.
i love how white people assume that people of color have to overanalyze media to find its racism. “just enjoy it!” they say, like we’re not going to notice a portrayal of our “inferiority” being rubbed in our face. “i miss the good old days when social justice warriors didn’t ruin every movie/tv show ever,” like pointing out racism ruins the media and not the racism itself. it’s the epitome of white privilege.
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I don’t watch TV shows as much as I used to. Despite having a DVR, Roku, etc., they can be annoying to keep up with. Nevertheless, as a NoC I must support shows like Luke Cage and Misty Knight.
I’m also gonna cross my fingers and hope that they don’t recast Lupita Nyong’o’s character in Black Panther 2, and replace her with Alexandra Shipp, or someone else. And I don’t mean changing his love interest to Storm, I mean recasting the character Nakia completely. I’ve seen this happen in movies and twice in the show My Wife and Kids, in which the actress who played Damon Wayans’ daughter in season 1 was recast from being portrayed by a dark-skinned actress to a biracial actress, and Meagan Good’s character on My Wife and Kids was also recast with a biracial actress. It’s ridiculous, but unfortunately it happens.
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I really liked this comment.
“i love how white people assume that people of color have to overanalyze media to find its racism. “just enjoy it!” they say, like we’re not going to notice a portrayal of our “inferiority” being rubbed in our face.”
Always love your Klandom series, lkeke ;D
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Excellent piece. You know, I’ve been wondering how Marvel’s Luke Cage series and Black Panther film will be received by White fans. I wonder if they will clamor to see those as they did with the Iron Man and Captain America films. I too am curious to see how knowingly or unknowingly racist White Marvel fans will receive a movie like Black Panther. The Blade trilogy was a success, but the supporting cast was comprised of mainly White males.
Black Panther will feature a beautiful dark-skinned female lead, and typically when it comes to a female CoC being cast, the actress cast is rarely dark-skinned (see Scandal, Stargate Atlantis, Grey’s Anatomy, Bones, The Vampire Diaries, Arrow, The Flash, Daredevil, etc.). TV shows such as Justified and How to Get Away with Murder are the few series I’ve seen that feature dark-skinned WoC in prominent roles, so I was extremely surprised when Ruth Negga or Zoe Saldana wasn’t cast as T’Challa’s love interest.
I haven’t been spending my money to see the latest superhero films. The last comic book films I paid to see were Deadpool and Captain America: Civil War, and I enjoyed them both. Black Panther will be set in a fictional African nation, and will feature a Black male hero and a predominately Black cast. Some racist minds won’t be able to handle all of this blackness, but I think Black Panther is going to do very well. Black Panther has my full support, and I will happily pay to see it in 3D if available.
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Agreed! I think I said something about reaching peak blackness with Luke Cage, Black Panther and Misty Knight (who is also dark skinned). At least the entertainment industry is trying, despite the pushback from the CEOs and some members of the public.
Although I know one of the reasons so many in the industry are pushing for diversity is because they aren’t making money with the same old junk they’ve been giving the public, and some of them are listening to what we’re telling them we want to see. I hope this bodes well for the future and the industry doesn’t backtrack.
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A perfect example of making the PoC a villain when they don’t meet the White audiences standards of usefulness, is the Dora Milaje from Civil War, who challenged Black Widow.
This woman is doing her job, but since White fans couldn’t slot her into a helpful role for any of the White characters, the fandom decided to trash her, and say she was being mean to their fave. She wasn’t being mean, she was working. ( This also slots nicely into the racist requirement that PoC always have to be nice to White people, and make their emotional comfort the center of all our behavior.)
Contrast that with Black Panther who gave Bucky sanctuary at the end of the movie. Up til he did that, he wasn’t useful to their narrative. After that, the fandom can only seem to see him as the Sugar Daddy for the rest of the Avengers.
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