Anonymous asked:i was telling my sister to watch preacher and I explained it as “It kinda gives me early supernatural vibes except they acknowledge black people exist and the black woman doesn’t die at the end of the episode.” thats pretty mucha ll it took to get her to watch it
yeah that’s pretty much why I got into it
a supernatural show where the black woman doesn’t die???? and isn’t treated like shit??? LET’S FUCKIN’ GO. plus the southern church aesthetics are alright, makes me feel nostalgic.
*How PoC in interracial relationships are required to do all the emotional labor for that relationship.
Something I can’t help but hate is this idea that in an interracial relationship between a White person and a PoC:
- the PoC is always heavy on being the caretaker.
- The PoC is always shouldering and sloughing through someone else’s hurts and baggage not because they want/need to in the context of the relationship, but because of White person bringing their own racial and personal baggage that they never would’ve unpacked otherwise if it wasn’t for them dating a PoC.
- The fact that it’s mostly the PoC that’s doing most of this unpacking, while White person is mostly oblivious.
- The former is almost always written as White person being naive, innocent, or spun off as enlightened, but stops right before White person begins to consider the implications of the environment around them and how that could contribute to their partner’s problem.
- The fact that the PoC gets harsher scrutiny and loads less support in dealing in whichever/whatever multiple traumas they may have.
- The PoC may or may not talk about these traumas, but if they do, they ultimately get glossed over and undermined.
- It’s the fact that dating a PoC is seen as “progressive points” (ugh)
- The fact that “progressive points” (ugh) are a pass to say slightly microagressive slick shit.
- It’s not even all that big. Sometimes it can be a comment about how huge their genitals are. Sometimes it’s comments on how their Brown/Black skin is somehow “dark”, “scary”, “mysterious”, or “bad-boy material”.
- Sometimes it’s the fact that even though Brown and Black skin rarely gets compared to Zircon, Diaspore, Amber, the smoky wood finish of a loved pine chair, the smell of the sweet, soft, pure victory that is Coca Butter, or Shea, we constantly get words like cinnamon or chocolate.(Ironically enough, we never get Adobo, Goya, rich Palm Oil or Maggie cubes.) Spice is nice and it’s our fucking game, but we can go farther!
- Sometimes it the fact that the PoC may not get much elaborated on them (maybe one or two features) but the fact that White person can be endlessly praised, even worshiped/glorified endlessly for having conventionally attractive features.
- Sometimes it’s everything.
- Sometimes it’s nothing. And-and-&-&-
- Sometimes it is what it motherfucking is.
But sometimes, when it comes to writing, life, and the world around us, I wish we could give PoC more room. More room to be cuddled. More room to be delicate. More room to be docile, and loving, and even care taking, but on even footing and less fetishistic and uneven ground.
I want to see PoC fervently in love with each other. I want them to revere each other, choose each other, fall in love and then choose to stay together with each other. I want them to be active agents and participants in their love; I don’t want them to accept passivity because it’s superimposed on them. I don’t want them to accept hypersexuality because it’s superimposed on them. I don’t want them to accept being a fuck for “progressive points” because it’s superimposed on them. Their wants and needs and should come as easily and wanting to consideration; especially when it comes to matters outside of sex. Sex doesn’t even have to be in the picture at all!
When I wrote this post, I was talking in a context of LGBTQ couples. That applied throughout this entire post. It all started because I was thinking about porn, and fandom, and life, and how it all got mixed up in my head and how all of this vomited out. But I have exhausted my words. All I can say is that I want everything, everything this world can give to us, that it SHOULD return to us after roots were deliberately yanked from this ground and scattered all over in the name of a love that places us as secondary. Exceptional. An openly taboo measure for ‘progress’. I want nothing but everything. I want everything for us.
I want everything for us and more.
*As I’ve said, racism is insidious , and if you do not examine the media you consume, or your motives and responses to it, then all you will do is end up reproducing the same stereotypes for WoC, and other marginalized people, in the media you end up creating.
The following conversation is a perfect example of how people who believe themselves to be the most progressive, are the ones who let down their guard, and don’t examine their media enough, thereby allowing things they don’t intend, to creep into their work. I don’t believe this writer meant, or intended, to do harm, but intention is not magic. Such tropes and stereotypes will occur even when the person is not actually trying to be racist. This is an indication of the insidiousness of white supremacy, not the evil of the writer:
I need a fic where the Dora Milaje adopt Bucky.
Imagine him being safe for the first time. He cannot really hurt them, he is SAFE with them. And they can help him heal, protest him as they know how and he would give them his respect, his help and his experience.
The Dora Milaje would never let anyone take him, would not let anyone take one of their own and he would be one of their own. They would spar and teach him the language and get him an arm with a vibranium alloy and armatur with vibranium mesh.
He would be theirs to protect, because their king asked them to, but also because Bucky would deserze to have someone in his corner, because this would be the right thing to do.
What do they get out of this or is this just gonna be Black people taking care of some white person for no reason?
This person is literally taking the Dora Milaje and turning them into an entire Mammy squad for Bucky Barnes. Bucky is not one of their own and he never will be. Their own are the 11 Wakandans that were blown up because of Wanda Maximoff’s incompetence. Their own was the beloved king they lost to the Avengers’ negligence to account for civilians while they go about literally destroying entire cities. Their own is T’Challa, who violently lost his father and, despite that, brought Bucky into Wakanda because he refused to allow his vengeance to consume him.
Bucky is not their own and he never will be. You can miss the Dora Milaje with this Mammy glorification.
I cannot fucking believe…
You know what? LMFAOOO
I CANNOT BELIEVEEEEE
Yes, i understand the difference between doing the right thing and going out of Your way to provide emotional support, that is a very valid point of course. And my wording might have been a little unfortunate.
Still, is that not what the grief council ours are doing? I can see the Dora Milaje being horrified at what happened. Also willing to help. That is the proper human instinct, be the person black or white.
Why are we talking about servitude however? The first post was never meant to sound like they would be his servants. More like his teachers. Is that not what you would do, if you had a stranger come into your country completely clueless? Teach him some language, help him out? Become their friend? A little bit of topic: if I offended anyone, it was clearly not my intention. For that please accept my apologies. The idea for the fic was half-baked and possibly inconsiderate, however it was never meant to offend. The makes of the film make Wakanda a place, where Bucky found refuge. I merely wanted to see a version of a follow up on that idea.
But you still haven’t answered any of the questions presented to you. What you described is a mammy trope. Black women being reduced to caretakers of non black people. Also, you imply that nothing would take Bucky from them (lmao), but he will never be their priority over actual Wakandans. If his presence ever puts one of their own in danger, his ass is out. No questions asked. No hesitation. He is not one of them. But you have not once made any effort to show Bucky being their friend or him helping them with anything. You literally only talked about what they could do for him as if their worth was entirely dependent on their usefulness to a white man. Do you not understand how fucked up that is? At all?
I understand perfectly what you are trying to say, yes. I understand how you see this post. As I have previously written, it was never supposed to seem like I was endorsing any kind of servitude or neo-colonial attitudes. Because I don’t. Apparently I just don’t think things through sometimes and write before I think.
I find the idea of them being Bucky’s mommies insulting to both Dora Milaje and Bucky. They would definitely not coddle him or mammy him as some of you put it. That I definitely do not see.
However I do not think they would give him up. Of course politics would demand they hand him over, but I rather think, that they
It king’s word, who promised to keep him safe matters.
I could of course talk about what he could do for them, but should he be brought back up, the relationship would be mostly one sided for a while, because that is what happens with a person recovering. They need help and people helping out rarely get much in return.
I could write about what he has to offer to them back, but they don’t really need anything he could offer. Except maybe train with them. But the Dora Milaje are already one of the most formidable forces in the Marvel universe, so I doubt he could offer them much in this area. Similar with the ideas, that he could own them a favour, be willing to help defend the country. Wakandans do not need him for that.
You have yet to tell why they would be so protective of him. What is so special about this random white boy that his life should be placed over Wakandans. He is not one of them. And you say it’s insulting to make them into his mammies, but that’s literally what you’re doing. Whether you did so intentionally or not is immaterial. You admitted that he has nothing to bring to this relationship and that it would be entirely one sided in his favor, but then insist that they would be totally equal. Why does always happen when it comes to Black women dealing with whites?
I legitimately hope that Bucky Barnes remains on ice for the entirely of the Black Panther movie because otherwise we’re going to see so much more of this awful meta reducing Black people to 2D cutouts meant to cater to white characters. The movie ain’t even out yet and I’m sick of reading about how good the Black characters would be at providing for someone’s white fave. It’s sickening.
The Dora Miljae would sooner kick Bucky into a predator infested lake than arrange their lives around him.
Stop trying to write narratives centering white men being catered to and coddled by black women!
Bucky is a slab of ice. Dassit.
Dear white fandom:
Wakanda is not a daycare for troubled white men.
*Black people do not exist to take care of white people.
Your penance is watching all 4 parts of the new Roots back to back.
Trying to think of a situation where a black or brown skinned character could kill anyone from a western or European nation LET ALONE a king or president and fandom would headcanon or write them as a precious cinnamon roll who the secret service should coddle befriend and protect.
Hell… We can barely even get that for black and brown people who are kind, respectful, loving and canonically romantically linked to a white character.
*Its interesting to me that Orci needs to have this explained to him. This is an example of the general cluelessness of white owned media. If he missed this trope, then, as a straight, white, middle-class, cis-gender man, he has probably missed all of them, having had no incentive to learn any of them, and this is one of the more well known Black stereotypes.
This is another reason why representation behind the scenes is important, too. Had there been a PoC behind the scenes at Sleepy Hollow, the showrunners could have been warned about what they were about to do. (Although, I still feel like that wouldn’t have stopped them from doing it, though.)
If the fans themselves have to be vigilant in guarding against offensive stereotypes, then this is even more true of those who create the content in the first place. How can they guard against stereotypes that they are wholly ignorant of? It certainly explains the decision making process behind Sleepy Hollow. How can you be a writer and not know some of these tropes?